Category Archives: Wrestling

No Count outs: The Dastardly Debonairs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era’s injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards.

Dynamite’s world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: The Monster Mashup

The WWE draft separated New Day members Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods from Big E. The superstar shakeup switched brands for many notable names like Charlotte Flair, Miz and Morrison, Seth Rollins, and Rey Mysterio. On the Wednesday night wars, NXT had its sights on Halloween Havoc with Shotzi Blackheart as the host and competing in one of two number one contenders’ matches on the Card. Every championship was defended on AEW including a brutal match between Jon Moxley and Lance Archer.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: Kevin Lee Davidson

Kevin Lee Davidson been wrestling in top level promotions such as Evolve, Ring of Honor, IWA-Mid South, Glory Pro, and AAW. I catch up with KLD on what wrestling has meant to him, how he improves and perfects his craft and of course some of his greatest opponents and matches. X-Pac, Scott Norton, Buff Bagwell, and PCO were big highlights in his independent career, but KLD also learned from some of the greatest teachers in wrestling like Norman Smiley, Michael Elgin, and Eddie Kingston.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: The Season of the Twitch

NXT Takeover 31 saw the return of Ember Moon and Toni Storm. Along with a stacked card matches that included Io Sharai versus Candice LaRae, and Kyle O’Reilly facing off against Finn Balor. WWE continues to crack down on talent revenue, this time a proposed takeover of wrestler’s Twitch accounts. AEW kept fans on their toes, teasing a possible feud between MJF and Chris Jericho a week before his 30th-anniversary show. Cody fakes out the crowd during his promo against Brodie Lee, and Jon Moxley faces an unexpected opponent in The Butcher.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: Which One Are You?

Clash of Champions “Gold Rush” Featured an ad-libbed card the had a few misses, but overall a solid Pay-Per-View. Asuka worked double duty, Randy Orton was forced to face his ghosts against Drew McIntyre, and Roman Reigns asserted his dominance over Jey Uso. AEW scrambled with booking as well. Eddie Kingston fought Jon Moxley for the world title and Brodie Lee extinguished Orange Cassidy. Cody made his return with a new look and a familiar attitude.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: Street Fights and Other Scores to Settle

The Street-Fight between Chuck and Trent and Santana & Ortiz took the wrestling world by storm last week. Meanwhile Sasha Banks returns to Smackdown to confront Bayley on her betrayal. Jon Moxley survives an ambush attack from an unlikely ally in Will Hobbs, and Damian Priest has his first title defense against Timothy Thatcher. All that and plus a Sue-studded Being The Elite.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: The End of The Elite

The Elite have officially broken up. Matt and Tyler discuss what that means for The Young Bucks, Adam Page, and Kenny Omega going forward. Finn Balor is the new NXT Champion, Asuka defends her title against Mickie James, the guys talk about their favorite segments from Being The Elite.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

WWE Cracking Down on Superstars’ Side Hustle

In 2017, Donald De La Haye’s D1 NCAA scholarship was voided over YouTube monetization, now WWE is threatening similar actions against its employees over third party concerns. Le Haye’s story sparked national outrage and exposed the greed and oppressive nature of an organization intent on keeping a clean image. Will the pro wrestling conglomerate face the same media backlash for its oppressive labor regime?

The Email

In a corporate email obtained by f4wonline originally sent on September second, WWE informed recipients that, “…You are engaged with outside third parties using your name and likeness in ways that are detrimental to our company. These activities must be terminated within the next 30 days.” This caused many fans and experts to speculate on exactly which services could render wrestlers, commentators, and personalities personae-non-gratae. Everything from, Instagram, youtube, twitch, and cameo were all considered a liability due to the vagueness of the letter.

The Public Statement

The social media buzz generated enough noise to force WWE to respond. On September fifth, WWE commented on the controversy with a simple one-paragraph press release:

The Continued Fallout

The press release did little to quell the heat WWE was taking from fans, workers, and even former U.S. Presidential candidates like Andrew Yang, who said in an interview earlier this week,
“They’re (WWE talent) putting their lives on the line, or their health on the line, their family life on the line, all the time. They made Vince McMahon a billionaire, and then the fact that he’s still being so heavy-handed about their ability to make a simple buck on Cameo just struck me as so absurd, and ridiculous, and wrong.”

Yang also said about if workers for WWE should be treated as independent contractors or employees that “ If you’re going to control all these aspects of a wrestler or a performer’s waking life, then you should take some responsibility too for that person’s bigger picture.” It was the third party application Cameo that has become the biggest sticking point for WWE brass. According to Dave Meltzer, talent would still be able to monetize Twitch and YouTube as long as the performers were using their names, not so for Cameo.

Cameo allows for personalized messages to be read by celebrities and influencers alike. Dozens of performers were using the service, from champions to commentators. They charged anywhere from 20 dollars to hundreds of dollars depending on the WWE superstar. If WWE does not allow Cameo, the company is protecting more than just their own “intellectual property” they are claiming ownership talent themselves.

The Conclusion

WWE’s message may have sparked outrage but more than anything it appears to have the desired effect on its workers for the most part. Many superstars have already made their Cameo unavailable to the public or changed their appearance like Sasha Banks simply going by “Mercedes Motivation”, or Tom Phillips adjusting his to just “Tom”. The company’s actions have received very little pushback from most major news sources and even less from current talent.

Only Saraya-Jade Bevis, known in WWE as Paige, publicly commented on the WWE’s transgressions with a simple “nope” on twitter after the story became public. With seemingly no ethical boundaries and no overseeing body holding WWE accountable for their labor actions. The Stamford Connecticut based and publicly-traded company will face no repercussions or even investigations for their continued “exploitation of these characters.”

Since the Donald De La Haye story, media and activists have pressured the NCAA to change the way their athletes can use their stardom. Starting in January 2021 athletes in all three divisions will be able to use their name, image, and likeness for monetary purposes. This action was ratified unanimously by the NCAA Board of Governors. If the same progress is to be expected from WWE, it must come from external forces, not internal.

No Count Outs: A Bitter Taste

This week on No Count Outs, Tyler and Matt express their frustration towards WWE and AEW. Matt Hardy versus Sammy Guevara cut short after a botched table spot that ruined the rest of All Out. In WWE there was a non finish between Adam Cole, Finn Balor, Tammaso Ciampa, and Johnny Gargano. A returning Jey Uso became the number one contender to Roman Reigns’ Universal Title. All of that plus a full break down of All Out and controversial WWE news that took social media by storm.

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app

No Count Outs: Payback and Payoffs

Roman Reigns is the New Universal Champ! Matt and Tyler discuss his recent alignment with Paul Heyman and what that means going forward. Hangman Page betrays the Young Bucks and costs them a title opportunity and the end of an era for the elite. Moxley outwits MJF in a contract signing. Dominik impresses again as the Mysterio’s fight Rollins and Murphy.  

No Count Outs: The Dastardly Debonairs No Count Outs

NXT versus AEW on Wednesday dominated discussion this week. As a last minute replacement for Undisputed Era's injured Strong and Fish, Oney Lorcan and Danny Burch defeated Breezango to become the new tag team champs. Kushida outlasted Tommaso Ciampa and Velveteen Dream in a triple threat match. Ember Moon won her return match but was attacked by Dakota Kai afterwards. Dynamite's world title tournament featured all four first round matches. Moving on was Jungleboy, Rey Fenix, Adam Page and a refocused and refurbished Kenny Omega as the fearsome cleaner, who destroyed Sonny Kiss in just a few seconds. MJF and Chris Jericho had dinner and then performed an unexpected musical number. Elsewhere on WWE programming Mustafa Ali was revealed to be the hacker. — This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app